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>look at all the high rep accounts that immediately defend it

As opposed to all the new accounts (uncharitably: sockpuppet accounts) that are criticizing it?


>sockpuppet accounts

10+ years of posting doesn't give you a pass to skirt the HN guidelines.

    Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data.
Them's the... guidelines.

Please do better.


I'm well aware of the guidelines. The point isn't to actually accuse OP of being a sockpuppet, it's to point out the hypocrisy. That's why specifically enclosed the accusation with "uncharitably: ...".

Old accounts criticize it too and are opposed to it as well. Accounts like yours, I don't know where they stand, but old accounts definitely don't like Flock.

>The response is stronger because your hairdressers and baristas aren't actively providing a service for surveillance as part of their work.

Should other law enforcement contractors also be subject to the same higher standard? For instance, should dell get extra flak if one of their contractors called 911, because they were installing PCs for a police department? If not, this just seems like a way of applying a double standard, just because you hate flock. It's fine to hate flock, but it should be actually justified reasons (eg. "they're enabling mass surveillance" or whatever), not spurious ones like "they did a bad that's vaguely common, but we're gonna admonish them extra hard for it because we hate them")


I don't buy into your premise. A hairdresser, barista, Dell installer, etc are not out in the open public. These people are in places open to the public but not considered public. These people can deny your "right" to be there, and impose rules/restrictions on what you can do in their open to the public space. Go against those rules/restrictions and you are no longer welcome.

You are really trying to contort yourself into some very uninteresting twists.


Do you think Flock is in the same category of installing PCs for police departments, when it comes to public impact?

If they called 911 because they were worried about privacy when publically installing a privacy-violating tool, then yes, they 100% should be. Having higher standards for higher impact things isn't somehow hypocritical.

>If they called 911 because they were worried about privacy when publically installing a privacy-violating tool, then yes, they 100% should be.

Seems like the installer was calling because he thought he was being harassed?

>As Keefe began to shoot video, the installer saw him and immediately packed up his equipment and drove away, so Keefe also returned to his car and followed several cars behind, hoping to document the next stop.

>...

>“I work with Flock Safety. And I called originally because I’m getting followed,” the installer can be heard telling a dispatcher after being transferred. “I was getting harassed, pretty much. Taking videos and pictures. And now, the same vehicle that pulled over where I was working at has been following me.”

Sure, you can try to equate "flock setting up a surveillance network" to "physically following flock employees", but what's the implication here? That anyone working for flock should be fair game to stalk?


>Single stage hvac systems tend to have better performance in the max capacity cooling cases (Texas) and last significantly longer than units that rely on non-linear electronic devices.

Why?


Inverter systems have more conversion losses than single stage. Most of the time, I definitely intend to run my system as hard as it can. There are only 4-5 weeks out of the year where variable speed would make a meaningful difference.

Semiconductors wear faster than copper wires and contactors and are much harder to replace. I can take a part from my neighbor's condensing unit and it would almost certainly work in mine. The make/model is largely irrelevant. I can go on Amazon, search "Start+Run Capacitor" and buy the first thing I find.


Because all too often the electronics are what fail and replacement parts are not available so the whole thing is scrap even though the compressor is still good.


>If they don’t use the microphones why do they have a statement in their Terms of Service to not say sensitive things in front of your TV?

Other people have mentioned there's other voice features like diction/voice control, so it's plausibly for that.


That's probably the program that uploads everything you say then. Nobody thought the ACR was doing that.

I agree with the conclusion, but the whole article is obviously AI slop.

>LG is contradicting themselves here. In order to detect a wake word then they must be collecting or recording ambient conversations.

No, it's arguably accurate because "record" implies it's being persisted. Otherwise something as simple as a sound meter (which needs a microphone to operate) is "recording".


The word used by LG was processed, not record

>also fucks self-checkout. are we so poverty stricken as a society now that we can't afford to pay cashiers?

Yeah, I'm appalled how poor as a society we've become, now that we can't afford door men (outside of luxury condos in Manhattan), elevator operators, and bank tellers.


As someone who cashiered in college, I vastly preferred monitoring self checkouts over being monetarily forced to interact with an endless line of the kind of people who don't use self checkouts.

As a shopper, I don't want to be one of those people either. Ideally, I want lower friction and to be able to pay on my phone instead of dealing with the kiosk.


>Sure, but the Waymo is taking intrusive video of much more than the inside of the car.

The alternative is having a driver in the car, which is equally intrusive.


> The alternative is having a driver in the car, which is equally intrusive.

Would you rather have one random stranger see you naked, or have a video of you naked passed around to every cop in your city?

Unless you feel the same about those two scenarios, it seems like a driver and a camera are not equally intrusive.


>Would you rather have one random stranger see you naked, or have a video of you naked passed around to every cop in your city?

Half the ubers I've been now has a "you're being recorded" notice. Public transit is far worse.


You seem to have missed the point. A recording is one thing. A networked camera being ai-monitored in realtime is another.

Your uber driver is using the video to protect their in-app reputation (also dystopian, but unrelated), and in case a crime is committed against them or they are accused of one.

A networked ai monitored camera system is a panopticon. It will be (or already has been) turned against journalists, protesters, political opponents, ex girlfriends, union organizers, etc.


1. there's still personal cars.

2. this is hardly a waymo/autonomous car/big tech thing. covid came with "vaccine passports" in some jurisdictions. there's no reason why it couldn't be enforced by human taxi drivers.


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